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When looking
at the long list on ian's site at: http://www.ianpaisley.org/toc.asp?loc=rome ian paisley quotes Boettner (a
man who did not know what the Catholic Church teaches), if ian preaches what he does about the
Catholic Church because of what he has read from Boettner and people like
Boettner, then I do not say ian lies, but he has been lied to. He really
needs to go to a Catholic source to understand Catholic things. Such as, if I wanted to
learn about the Presbyterian church, I would go to a Presbyterian source,
not someone who hates the Presbyterian church.
A link to
the Catechism or another Catholic source that covers it so you
can see for yourself.
The Doctrine of Infallibility, what it means, and doesn't mean. ian does not understand it. http://www.catholic.com/library/Papal_Infallibility.asp Below is a link to one
of ian's misunderstandings and misquotes, then what the Catholic Church truly teaches
follows.
Purgatory
Pickpocket (found at http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=purgatory) Purgatory is a gigantic fraud. Dr. Ian R.K. Paisley
It was in 1950 that Pope Pius XII repeated the claim when
he wrote in ‘Humani Generis’ that the enlightener of the Church is
not the Spirit but the teaching office of the Vatican: ‘Together with the sacred sources (Scripture and
tradition) [NB] God has given to his Church a living
magisterium to throw light on and explain those matters that are contained
in the deposit of faith only in an obscure and so to speak implicit
manner.’ So the pope has become an omnicompetent oracle. It is
this replacing of Scripture and the Spirit that John Paul II admires in
his forebear Pius XII. Considering that we live in a world where there is all
manner of striving for the truth and demand for evidence in so many
aspects of life and in the activities of people, more are happy to
incorporate into their lives all manner of myths and lies and perpetuate
them rather than submit and live by Truth. Certainly the compounding of error leads not to Purgatory
or heaven, but rather to death and destruction – HELL. For the true believer John teaches, ‘The blood of Jesus His Son cleanseth us from all sin……If
we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and
cleanse us from all unrighteousness’ (1 John 1:7-9). Dear Roman Catholic reader, what does this mean. This
means that it is not just some or a few sins but all sins that are
forgiven through the sacrifice of Christ. No sins are left to be purged
away by human merit. Further he says, ‘And I heard a voice from heaven saying write, Blessed
are the dead who die in the Lord from henceforth: yea, saith the Spirit,
that they rest from their labours; for their works follow with them’.
(Revelation 14:13) Loraine Boettner explains the evil of Purgatory in this
way: ‘If any one of us actually had the power to release souls
from Purgatory and refused to exercise that power except in return for a
payment of money, he would be considered cruel and unchristian – which he
would be. [Certainly not a Christ-like example!] No decent man would permit even a dog to
suffer in the fire until its owner paid him five dollars to take it out.
The insistence on a money transaction before a soul can
be released and sometimes money transactions over long periods of time,
shows clearly the sinister purpose for which the doctrine of Purgatory was
invented. The simple fact is that if Purgatory were emptied and all those
suffering souls admitted to heaven, there would be little incentive left
for the people to pay money to the priests.’ Purgatory is a gigantic fraud.
Boettner LIES about the Catholic
teachings. Below is an article, then Scripture that Purgatory refers
to.
Purgatory (from www.Catholic.com)The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines purgatory as a "purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven," which is experienced by those "who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified" (CCC 1030). It notes that "this final purification of the elect . . . is entirely different from the punishment of the damned" (CCC 1031). The purification is necessary because, as Scripture teaches, nothing unclean will enter the presence of God in heaven (Rev. 21:27) and, while we may die with our mortal sins forgiven, there can still be many impurities in us, specifically venial sins and the temporal punishment due to sins already forgiven.
Two Judgments When we die, we undergo what is called the particular, or individual, judgment. Scripture says that "it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment" (Heb. 9:27). We are judged instantly and receive our reward, for good or ill. We know at once what our final destiny will be. At the end of time, when Jesus returns, there will come the general judgment to which the Bible refers, for example, in Matthew 25:31-32: "When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats." In this general judgment all our sins will be publicly revealed (Luke 12:2–5). Augustine said, in The City of God, that "temporary punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by others after death, by others both now and then; but all of them before that last and strictest judgment." It is between the particular and general judgments, then, that the soul is purified of the remaining consequences of sin: "I tell you, you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper" (Luke 12:59).
Money, Money, Money One argument anti-Catholics often use to attack purgatory is the idea that the Catholic Church makes money from promulgating the doctrine. Without purgatory, the claim asserts, the Church would go broke. Any number of anti-Catholic books claim the Church owes the majority of its wealth to this doctrine. But the numbers just don’t add up. When a Catholic requests a memorial Mass for the dead—that is, a Mass said for the benefit of someone in purgatory—it is customary to give the parish priest a stipend, on the principles that the laborer is worth his hire (Luke 10:7) and that those who preside at the altar share the altar’s offerings (1 Cor. 9:13–14). In the United States, a stipend is commonly around five dollars; but the indigent do not have to pay anything. A few people, of course, freely offer more. This money goes to the parish priest, and priests are only allowed to receive one such stipend per day. No one gets rich on five dollars a day, and certainly not the Church, which does not receive the money anyway. But look at what happens on a Sunday. There are often hundreds of people at Mass. In a crowded parish, there may be thousands. Many families and individuals deposit five dollars or more into the collection basket; others deposit less. A few give much more. A parish might have four or five or six Masses on a Sunday. The total from the Sunday collections far surpasses the paltry amount received from the memorial Masses.
A Catholic "Invention"? Fundamentalists may be fond of saying the Catholic Church "invented" the doctrine of purgatory to make money, but they have difficulty saying just when. Most professional anti-Catholics—the ones who make their living attacking "Romanism"—seem to place the blame on Pope Gregory the Great, who reigned from A.D. 590–604. But that hardly accounts for the request of Monica, mother of Augustine, who asked her son, in the fourth century, to remember her soul in his Masses. This would make no sense if she thought her soul would not benefit from prayers, as would be the case if she were in hell or in the full glory of heaven. Nor does ascribing the doctrine to Gregory explain the graffiti in the catacombs, where Christians during the persecutions of the first three centuries recorded prayers for the dead. Indeed, some of the earliest Christian writings outside the New Testament, like the Acts of Paul and Thecla and the Martyrdom of Perpetua and Felicity (both written during the second century), refer to the Christian practice of praying for the dead. Such prayers would have been offered only if Christians believed in purgatory, even if they did not use that name for it. (See Catholic Answers’ Fathers Know Best tract The Existence of Purgatory for quotations from these and other early Christian sources.)
Why No Protests? Whenever a date is set for the "invention" of purgatory, you can point to historical evidence to show the doctrine was in existence before that date. Besides, if at some point the doctrine was pulled out of a clerical hat, why does ecclesiastical history record no protest against it? A study of the history of doctrines indicates that Christians in the first centuries were up in arms (sometimes quite literally) if anyone suggested the least change in beliefs. They were extremely conservative people who tested a doctrine’s truth by asking, Was this believed by our ancestors? Was it handed on from the apostles? Surely belief in purgatory would be considered a great change, if it had not been believed from the first—so where are the records of protests? They don’t exist. There is no hint at all, in the oldest writings available to us (or in later ones, for that matter), that "true believers" in the immediate post-apostolic years spoke of purgatory as a novel doctrine. They must have understood that the oral teaching of the apostles, what Catholics call tradition, and the Bible not only failed to contradict the doctrine, but, in fact, confirmed it. It is no wonder, then, that those who deny the existence of purgatory tend to touch upon only briefly the history of the belief. They prefer to claim that the Bible speaks only of heaven and hell. Wrong. It speaks plainly of a third condition, commonly called the limbo of the Fathers, where the just who had died before the redemption were waiting for heaven to be opened to them. After his death and before his resurrection, Christ visited those experiencing the limbo of the Fathers and preached to them the good news that heaven would now be opened to them (1 Pet. 3:19). These people thus were not in heaven, but neither were they experiencing the torments of hell. Some have speculated that the limbo of the Fathers is the same as purgatory. This may or may not be the case. However, even if the limbo of the Fathers is not purgatory, its existence shows that a temporary, intermediate state is not contrary to Scripture. Look at it this way. If the limbo of the Fathers was purgatory, then this one verse directly teaches the existence of purgatory. If the limbo of the Fathers was a different temporary state, then the Bible at least says such a state can exist. It proves there can be more than just heaven and hell. Sometimes Protestants object that Jesus told the thief on the cross that, on the very day the two of them died, they would be together in paradise (Luke 23:43), which they read as a denial of purgatory. However, the argument backfires and actually supports purgatory by proving the existence of a state other than heaven and hell, since Jesus did not go to heaven on the day he died. Peter tells us that he "went and preached to the spirits in prison" (1 Pet. 3:19), and, after his resurrection, Christ himself declared: "I have not yet ascended to the Father" (John 20:17). Thus at that time paradise was located in some third state besides heaven and besides hell.
"Purgatory Not in Scripture" Some Fundamentalists also charge, as though it actually proved something, "The word purgatory is nowhere found in Scripture." This is true, and yet it does not disprove the existence of purgatory or the fact that belief in it has always been part of Church teaching. The words Trinity and Incarnation aren’t in Scripture either, yet those doctrines are clearly taught in it. Likewise, Scripture teaches that purgatory exists, even if it doesn’t use that word and even if 1 Peter 3:19 refers to a place other than purgatory. Christ refers to the sinner who "will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matt. 12:32), suggesting that one can be freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins. Similarly, Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? "He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1 Cor 3:15). Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering ("fire") there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage. Then, of course, there is the Bible’s approval of prayers for the dead: "In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the dead to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin" (2 Macc. 12:43–45). Prayers are not needed by those in heaven, and no one can help those in hell. That means some people must be in a third condition, at least temporarily. This verse so clearly illustrates the existence of purgatory that, at the time of the Reformation, Protestants had to cut the books of the Maccabees out of their Bibles in order to avoid accepting the doctrine. Prayers for the dead and the consequent doctrine of purgatory have been part of the true religion since before the time of Christ. Not only can we show it was practiced by the Jews of the time of the Maccabees, but it has even been retained by Orthodox Jews today, who recite a prayer known as the Mourner’s Kaddish for eleven months after the death of a loved one so that the loved one may be purified. It was not the Catholic Church that added the doctrine of purgatory. Rather, any change in the original teaching has taken place in the Protestant churches, which rejected a doctrine that had always been believed by Jews and Christians.
Why Go To Purgatory? Why would anyone go to purgatory? To be cleansed, for "nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]" (Rev. 21:27). Anyone who has not been completely freed of sin and its effects is, to some extent, "unclean." Through repentance he may have gained the grace needed to be worthy of heaven, which is to say, he has been forgiven and his soul is spiritually alive. But that’s not sufficient for gaining entrance into heaven. He needs to be cleansed completely. Fundamentalists claim, as an article in Jimmy Swaggart’s magazine, The Evangelist, put it, that "Scripture clearly reveals that all the demands of divine justice on the sinner have been completely fulfilled in Jesus Christ. It also reveals that Christ has totally redeemed, or purchased back, that which was lost. The advocates of a purgatory (and the necessity of prayer for the dead) say, in effect, that the redemption of Christ was incomplete. . . . It has all been done for us by Jesus Christ, there is nothing to be added or done by man." It is entirely correct to say that Christ accomplished all of our salvation for us on the cross. But that does not settle the question of how this redemption is applied to us. Scripture reveals that it is applied to us over the course of time through, among other things, the process of sanctification through which the Christian is made holy. Sanctification involves suffering (Rom. 5:3–5), and purgatory is the final stage of sanctification that some of us need to undergo before we enter heaven. Purgatory is the final phase of Christ’s applying to us the purifying redemption that he accomplished for us by his death on the cross.
No Contradiction The Fundamentalist resistance to the biblical doctrine of purgatory presumes there is a contradiction between Christ’s redeeming us on the cross and the process by which we are sanctified. There isn’t. And a Fundamentalist cannot say that suffering in the final stage of sanctification conflicts with the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement without saying that suffering in the early stages of sanctification also presents a similar conflict. The Fundamentalist has it backward: Our suffering in sanctification does not take away from the cross. Rather, the cross produces our sanctification, which results in our suffering, because "[f]or the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant; later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness" (Heb. 12:11).
Nothing Unclean Purgatory makes sense because there is a requirement that a soul not just be declared to be clean, but actually be clean, before a man may enter into eternal life. After all, if a guilty soul is merely "covered," if its sinful state still exists but is officially ignored, then it is still a guilty soul. It is still unclean. Catholic theology takes seriously the notion that "nothing unclean shall enter heaven." From this it is inferred that a less than cleansed soul, even if "covered," remains a dirty soul and isn’t fit for heaven. It needs to be cleansed or "purged" of its remaining imperfections. The cleansing occurs in purgatory. Indeed, the necessity of the purging is taught in other passages of Scripture, such as 2 Thessalonians 2:13, which declares that God chose us "to be saved through sanctification by the Spirit." Sanctification is thus not an option, something that may or may not happen before one gets into heaven. It is an absolute requirement, as Hebrews 12:14 states that we must strive "for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord." Scripture and Tradition.... Just as the
Apostles taught.
1 Tim 3:15
The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of truth. To be the Pillar and Foundation of Truth, then the Church must have the authority to teach the Word of God, to teach it infallibly. Infallibly because it is guided by God. John
14:16
Jesus promised that the Church would be guided by the Holy
Spirit, in Truth. The Church cannot be wrong about faith and morals,
because Jesus said so.
St Matt 18:17 (Jesus said) If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. 14 If he refuses to listen even to the church, then
treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
St. Matt 28:18 11 Then Jesus approached and said to
them, "All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Which Church has been making
diciples of all nations since the Apostles for 2000 years? Which Church
could possibly have Jesus Himself guiding the Church? ....answer to
both.... The Catholic Church
This shows that someone taught
it....The scripture spoken of here is the Septuagint... The
New Testament was not around until 400 AD.
2 Thess 2:15
2 Tim 2:2
These faithful people...who could
they be??? Which Church has been around since the Time of Christ & His
Apostles? .... The Catholic Church, fulfilling the commands of
Jesus.
Romans 10:17
1 Peter 1:25
But the word of the Lord abides for ever.’ That word is
the good news which was preached to
you Ephesians 2:20
built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with
Christ Jesus himself as the capstone. 10
1 Corin 11:2
These traditions spoken of are what
the Catholic Church hands on....
1 Corin 15:3
1 Corin 15:11
Acts 2:42
They devoted themselves to the
"teaching" of the Apostles, not scripture.
Acts 8:27
The Catholic Church is a gift from
Christ sent to instruct us. Christ promised
that the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church (Matt. 16:18) and the New Testament itself declares
the Church to be "the pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).
The following verses describe what the Catholic Church calls
"Purgatory"
Isaiah 6:5
Sins are purged so he may enter Heaven. If sins are purged, then he will be saved.
Matt 12:32 How can someone be in Hell, and then be forgiven??? The age to come people can be forgiven, it can't be Heaven because there is no need for forgiveness because in Heaven there will not be sin... it can't be Hell because once your in Hell, it's for eternity.
Rev 20:13 Death and Hades (not the pool of fire) gave up their dead and they were judged according to their deeds.... THEN Death and Hades were thrown into the pool of fire (HELL as we know it) Death and Hades is not Hell, and is not Heaven... then what could it be??? The Catholic Church calls it Purgatory.
Nothing Unclean can enter Heaven, but not all sin is deadly (1 John 5:16) therefore we must have our sin purged (Isaiah 6:6-7) before we enter Heaven if we are guilty of lesser sins.
1 Cor 3:15 How can we be saved from Hell, because Hell is eternal? This being saved as through fire can only be Purgatory, where our lesser sins will be purged from us.
Luke 12:59 We will pay for all our sins in one way or another (Purgatory). All our sins must be paid for.
2 Macc 12:43 If we make it to Heaven, we don't need
atonement. If we go to Hell, there is no atonement.... There must be
Purgatory
1 Peter 1:6
Job 1:5
Purgatory from the Catechism, The Official Teaching of the Catholic Church: III. The Final Purification, or Purgatory
607: Cf. 1 Cor 3:15; 1 Pet 1:7.
The name "Purgatory" was given to something that was taught before Christ came to the world.... The Catholic Church just gave a name to something that existed before the time of Christ & the Apostles. Read below (from Jewish site: http://www.jewfaq.org/death.htm#kaddish) KaddishKaddish is commonly known as a mourner's prayer, but in fact, variations on the Kaddish prayer are routinely recited at many other times, and the prayer itself has nothing to do with death or mourning. The prayer begins "May His great Name grow exalted and sanctified in the world that He created as He willed. May He give reign to His kingship in your lifetimes and in your days ...." and continues in much that vein. The real mourner's prayer is El Molai Rachamim, which is recited at grave sites and during funerals. Why, then, is Kaddish recited by mourners? After a great loss like the death of a parent, you might expect a person to lose faith in G-d, or to cry out against G-d's injustice. Instead, Judaism requires a mourner to stand up every day, publicly (i.e., in front of a minyan, a quorum of 10 adult men), and reaffirm faith in G-d despite this loss. To do so inures to the merit of the deceased in the eyes of G-d, because the deceased must have been a very good parent to raise a child who could express such faith in the face of personal loss. Then why is Kaddish recited for only 11 months, when the mourning period is 12 months? According to Jewish tradition, the soul must spend some time purifying itself before it can enter the World to Come. The maximum time required for purification is 12 months, for the most evil person. To recite Kaddish for 12 months would imply that the parent was the type who needed 12 months of purification! To avoid this implication, the Sages decreed that a son should recite Kaddish for only eleven months. A person is permitted to recite Kaddish for other close relatives as well as parents, but only if his parents are dead. See Mourners' Kaddish for the full text of the Mourners' Kaddish. The Apostle's Creed Bible
Breakdown:
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth. (Gen.
1:1)
I believe in Jesus Christ, His only Son,
our Lord. (Mt 16:16, Jn 1:14, 3:16; 18;
1Jn 4:9, Acts 10:36; Rom 10:12 )
He was conceived by the power of the Holy
Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. (Is 7:14;
Mt 1:18-25; Lk 1:27; 34 , Is 9:6; Mt 1:23; Lk 1:32; 35; 43; 2:11; Gal 4:4,
Is 7:14; Mic 5:2-3)
He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was
crucified, died, and was buried. (Ps 22:69;
Wis 2:10-20; Is 1:5-6; 53; Jer 11:19; Lam 1:12; Zech 1:12-13; (Cf ) Lk
24:46, Is 53:4-10; Mt 20:28; Lk 24:46; Jn 12:24; Rom 5; Eph 5:2; 1Pet
1:18; 2:24 1Jn 2:2; 1Thess 5:10 )
He descended to the dead. (1 Pet 3:19)
On the third day He rose again.
(Ps 16:10; (Cf ) Acts 13:35, Mt 17:23; 20:19; Mk 9:9;
14:28; Lk 9:22; 18:33; Jn 2:19; 10:18, Mt 28:9; Mk 16:9; Lk 24:13-35; Jn
20:26; 21:1; Acts 1:3; 1Cor 15:6 )
He ascended into heaven and sits at the
right hand of God, the Father Almighty. (Mk 16:19; Lk 24:50; Jn 20:17; Acts
1:3-9; Eph 4:10; 1Tim 3:16; 1Pet 3:22)
From thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. (Jn 5:22; Acts 10:42; 17:31; 2Tim 4:1; 1Pet 4:5; Rev 20:12-13, Acts 10:42; Rom 2:16;2Tim 4:1; 1Pet 4:5 ) I believe in the Holy
Spirit, (Jn 14:16; 26; 15:26; 16:7, Jn 15:26.
1Jn 5:7 , Jn 15:26; 16:7; 16:13, Mt 3:11-16. Lk 3:16. Jn 1:33. Acts 1:5;
2:38; 11:16 , Acts 1:8; 8:15; 10:44; 19:6, Jn 14:17. Acts 2:33. Rom 5:5.
1Cor 3:16; 6:19 Gal 3:14. Eph 1:13. 2Tim 1:14, Jn 14:26; 16:13; Acts 5:32;
9:31; 1Cor 2:10; Eph 3:5, Acts 4:8; 6:10; 7:55, Acts 3:21; 2Tim 3:16; Pet
1:21)
the holy catholic Church, (Tobit 13:11-18; Is 2:2-3; Bar 5:3; Hos 2:14-24; Mic 4:1-3,
1Tim 3:15 , Mt 16:18; 28:19; Mk 16:15; 1Cor 3:11; Eph 2:20; 1Pet 2:4-6 ,
Rom 12:4; 1Cor 12:12; Eph 1:22-23; 5:22; Col 1:18, Eph 1:22; 5:23; Col
1:18 , Mt 16:18; 28:20 , Mt 5:14; Mk 4:30-32; Eph 2:19-22 , Mt 16:18-19;
18:18; Jn 20:23 , 1Cor 1:2; Col 3:12 , Ps 118:22; Mt 21:42; Mk 12:10; Lk
20:17; Acts 4:11; Eph 2:20; 1Pet 2:4; 7 ,1Cor 3:10; Eph 2:20; Rev 21:14
Acts 1:15-26; 2 Tim 2:2; Tit 1:5 )
the communion of saints, (Tobit 12:12-13, Psalm 103:20-21, 141:2, 148:1-2, Isaiah 6:6-7,
Baruch 3:4, Zech 1:12-13, 2 Macc. 15:12-16, 2 Chron. 32:33, Jn
15:5; Rom 12:4; 1Cor 6:12-20; 10:17; 12:4-27; Eph 2:19; 5:30; Col 1:18;
24; 2:19; 3:15, Jer 15:1; Acts 12:5; Rom 15:30; 2Cor 13:7; Eph 6:18; Col
4:3 1Thess 5:25; 2Thess 3:1; Heb 13:18; Jas 5:16 , Tobit 12:12; 2Mac
15:14; Rev 5:8; 8:4 , Heb 12:1, 1Thess 3:13; Heb 11:40; 12:23; 1Pet 3:19;
Rev 6:9, Acts 5:15; 19:11-12 , Eph 1:4-6; 12; 14 )
the forgiveness of sins, (Mk 2:7; Lk 5:21, Mt 9:6; Mk 2:10; Lk 5:24; Col 3:13, Jn
20:22-23, 2Cor 2:10 , 5:18, Rom 5:11; Col 1:20; Heb 1:3 , 2 Cor 2:5-8 , Mt
18:18 )
the resurrection of the body,
(Rom 6:5; 1Cor 15:49; 2Cor 4:14; Phil
3:21)
and the life everlasting. (Rom 6:8; 10:10; 2Cor 4:13-14; Eph 1:19; Col 2:12; 1Thess
4:14; 2Tim 1:10; 1Pet 1:5 , Rom 6:5; 8; 8:17; 2Tim
2:11)
Amen.
God Bless,
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